Report: Ex-Police Chief Piscia Drops Pension Fight

Frankfort Police officers questioned the police pension credits earned over the past two years by Rob Piscia, a former chief and current assistant village administrator, the Chicago Tribune reports.

Former Frankfort Police chief and current assistant village administrator Rob Piscia last week withdrew his police pension credits claim, which had come under fire from a state agency and some officers on the force, the Chicago Tribune reports.

At issue was Piscia collecting police pension credits after stepping down as chief to take the assistant village administrator job in 2010, the report said. The Illinois Department of Insurance, which oversees the state's local police pension boards, agreed with some Frankfort Police officers that Piscia should not have been eligible for those credits, the report continued. Those officers formally brought up the issue with the Frankfort Police Pension Board, the report said.

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Piscia initially claimed he was entitled to the police pension credits earned over the past two years because he did some police work during that time, the report said. However, that police work doesn't ensure pension credit eligibility, and Piscia dropped his fight last week before a hearing Monday, Sept. 17, to avoid any further controversy, according to the Tribune.

If Piscia would have kept those two years of credits, which applied to his higher administrative salary, he would have earned about $9,000 a year from his pension, going from $66,000 to $75,000, the Tribune calculated.


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George September 24, 2012 at 01:00 PM
I agree with all of you! We need for Will County States Attonrey Glaskow and also Attorney General Madigan investigate Holland, Ducay, and Piscia ASAP! I just heard Holland has announced his reelection for Mayor. Are you kidding me! A Mayor who stated he did not know about Piscia's pension benefits. Your the Mayor, you should know about all of your staff's pension especially when it is illegal. I agree that we need a new Mayor. Holland you have overstayed your welcome. Please hurry up and fade into the sunset. THe people don't need you!
joe ziganto September 24, 2012 at 11:18 PM
where was the local media on this one? in the village pockets?
Ben September 25, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Hey Scorpion learn how to spell you idiot. Also before you run off at the mouth you should at least get the facts. You just sound like an uneducated fool
scorpion September 26, 2012 at 04:33 AM
Ok Ben, I guess I spelled Jerry and Robs last names incorrectly....Sorry if that offended you.......is that why you call me a jdiot ? I apologize for my spelling mistake. If you can provide some facts to justify what was exposed by the Tribune article, and explain more about this "DISTRACTION" or pension deal....PLEASE do so !!! It seems that you may be "Part of the Problem, and Not the Solution". Are you one of the "Good Old Boys" ? The fact remains, that there was some sort of deal made and that someone tried to receive a financial gain from this incident. Say what you want about me, but where is the Mayor and Village Board on this matter ???? Ever hear the words...HONESTY....TRUST....INTEGRITY ???
Ben September 26, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Do you really think that just because there was an article in the Tribune, that it was all factual? All im saying is that all these people here are bashing someone without knowing any of the facts. How do you or anybody else actually know what really happened? I certainly dont know about any pension deal thats why I am not accusing people of any wrong doing until there is actually proof and not just some newspaper article in the Tribune. You have to know that not everything you read or hear is true, because you do sound like an intelligent person. As for you saying I may be "Part of the Problem" and calling me a "Good Old Boy" I dont even know them. It just seems crazy to me that all these people are basing their opinions on a Tribune article. Maybe my beef should be with the Tribune?
scorpion September 26, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Ben First you label me as an idiot, then say I sound like an intelligent person....how does that relate to an uneducated fool ??? The facts may not all be there, but I would bet that if some FOI requests were submitted, you would be as upset about this as I and some others are
Ben September 27, 2012 at 01:32 PM
Sorry I called you an uneducated fool and an idiot. That was wrong, I dont even know you. But my problem is if this was something that was wrong isnt there some kind of committee or special board that looks at this stuff.? If he was doing something so wrong then why didnt this come up earlier? What are the people on the committee doing? Do you think this could be certain people with a grudge that want to make trouble? I just find it hard to believe that if this was such a big deal, that the pension committee would have stopped it earlier. Who is on that committe anyway, do you know?
Christy September 27, 2012 at 03:41 PM
Hey Ben. My instincts tell me either you are a village hall employee or a spouse of a village hall employee. Everyone else with comments is upset as it would seem as a taxpayer, citizen, former, or current village police offier. Let people voice their concern about the double dipping pensions. Did you read about whats going on in New Lenox. Illinois is broke from the pension crisis. My boyfriend knows many officers in Frankfort and New Lenox and they are all very upset. I'm surprised you are not! And you are worried about spelling when you slam scorpion so it does appear you may be one of the people in question. Think about that.
Ben September 27, 2012 at 04:11 PM
Christy I can tell you honestly I am neither a spouse or a hall employee, and I never said they couldn't voice their concerns. I just feel like all these people are slamming others and non of them have the facts. Before I accuse peopel of things I probably would like to at least know a little bit about the facts. Im just asking if it was so bad why is it just being brought up now. Isnt there some kind of committe or something that looks at this stuff, and if there is why didnt they say something then? Illinois is broke because of the idiots in charge.
Ben September 27, 2012 at 04:11 PM
I spelled none wrong
Ben September 27, 2012 at 04:11 PM
and people
scorpion September 28, 2012 at 04:12 AM
Ben Apology accepted. There is a Pension Board that oversees the Police Pension. The Board has several different types of people on it. Usually it consists of an active police officer that is chosen by active members of the police department, another member is a retired officer that is chosen or elected by retired officers that are on pension. The remaining people are appointed to the position, usually appointed by the Mayor. The Village Board may have some input as to who is appointed, but that varies with different pension plans. What happened is a BIG DEAL, someone authorized or permitted the former Chief of Police to continue contributing to the Police Pension Fund. How this happened is unknown, but the TRUTH will come out and someone will be accountable for allowing this to happen. The Mayor stated that he was not involved with the pension process, but somehow Mayor Holland and Jerry Ducay were involved with making an offer to Chief Piscia and have him relinquish his position and assume the Assistant Village Administrators position. Now don't you think that there was conversation amongst the three people involved that pertained to duties, responsibilities, benefits, salary, pension etc. Who made the call to allow Piscia to continue contributing to the Police Pension fund rather than to lock in his pension, and start contributing to the IMRF Pension. The Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund covers non police employees of the Municipality.
scorpion September 28, 2012 at 04:13 AM
The Tribune carried the story, and I am glad that they did. Frankforts elected officials need to be accountable for this attempt to enhance the pension of the former police chief. When a shoplifter, embezzler, or bank robber gets caught, if he agrees to give the proceeds of the crime back, is it forgotten....should it be forgotten ?? I think NOT, The Police Officers that brought this to the attention of the Pension Board should be PROUD of themselves for doing the RIGHT THING !!!
scorpion September 28, 2012 at 04:16 AM
Christy As you can see, I am VERY UPSET about what happened. I think there is a lot more than has been said about what happened and why. I sure hope the TRUTH comes out.
scorpion September 28, 2012 at 04:17 AM
See Ben it happens !!!
scorpion September 28, 2012 at 04:18 AM
Twice ??? You need spell check
Ben September 28, 2012 at 01:50 PM
spell check is just a crutch..
Ben September 28, 2012 at 01:53 PM
If what you say is truth and there is a police officer on the committe, then why wasn't it brought up before? Especially if there is an officer on the committee?
scorpion September 28, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Who knows what really happened, several police officers did bring it up, and the Tribune got involved. Piscia agreed to not seek the full pension enhancement and the Pension Board then dropped a scheduled hearing. Maybe the two officers on the pension board were friends of Rob Piscia or maybe they weren't. The fact remains that someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Doesn't that upset you ??
Ben October 01, 2012 at 01:05 PM
So there are two Officers on the committee and not one of them said something before now? They are on the committe for a reason, and it seems like they have no idea what the rules are, or what they are doing. Maybe the whole committe needs to be replaced with people that know the rules, so they can let people know what they are and are not allowed to do. Then we wouldn't have situations like this where people are questioning other people's integrity. Let's replace that committee
scorpion October 01, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Ben You NEVER answer the question. Are you upset about what Rob Piscia was doing and who authorized or approved the pension DISTRACTION ???? Wouldn't you like to know the FACTS ?? Is there a cover up ??? Why have the Mayor or Trustees failed to respond to this issue ?? Did all or some of the Trustees know about this deal.....from what I have been hearing, some Trustees did not know. You know that they all read this Patch Frankfort....WHY are they so quiet ??? The Committe needs to answer some questions also. Were they advised about this action ??? Did any of them question what was going on ?? Were there meetings on this ? How about notes, memo's. directives etc. regarding this action. Someone who knows needs to come forward !!! Don't forget, the Mayor appoints the civilian members of the Pension Board. You are right, the INTEGRITY is being questioned, but NOBODY is answering with the FACTS.
Ben October 03, 2012 at 08:26 PM
I never get upset or pass judgment on somebody especially something this serious unless I have proof that someone did something wrong, and not just what some newspaper spinning stories to sell newspapers say.
Leroy October 03, 2012 at 09:38 PM
Don't worry, residents. This latest pension scam will only cost each of you homeowners another $20 / month on your tax bill. We all need to pitch-in to support these lowlifes.
scorpion October 04, 2012 at 03:27 AM
Ever read the Slop Sheets ?? These are the papers usually found near the check out counter of the supermarket. The STAR, ENQUIERER (sp) etc., they can usually break a story before anyone else. Most of the time, their headlines deals with famous people, politicians, actors, etc.....The stories are initially denied, but most often are found to be truths. Newspapers don't just spin stories to sell newspapers. Some one gives them some info, and they usually print credible information. In this case, the officers challenged the pension scam, and the perpetrator (Guess Who), got caught and decided to make a deal to settle the issue without a hearing. How NOBLE was that ???
scorpion October 04, 2012 at 03:28 AM
Are they taking donations ?
scorpion October 04, 2012 at 04:44 AM
Sorry, I was mistaken. The Pension Board consist of the Village Treasurer, two police officers, one retired police officer and two civilians appointed by the Mayor. They meet quarterly, but it is weird, that if you look at the Village calender, the Pension Board meetings do not show up on the list of scheduled meetings. If they do show up, they list an agenda, but NEVER have minutes available. Does anyone know the names of the Pension Board members ?? Is Demetrius Karos still the Village Treasurer ??? Does he know anything about the deal made to enhance the pension of Piscia ?? Who is the retired officer on the Board ?? Who are the civilians ? Who are the employed officers ? When is the next meeting and where will it be ???
scorpion October 26, 2012 at 02:54 AM
Chicago Tribune reports that there was a Police Pension Board meeting today at 12:30PM. Does anyone know what took place at the meeting ???
Anna Schier (Editor) October 26, 2012 at 03:55 AM
Hi Scorpion, Piscia will be refunded $23,709 he made in pension payments during the last two years, according to the Tribune. I'll have a post up about it tomorrow. Thanks for reading. Anna
marsha mondry October 26, 2012 at 09:37 PM
If the guy is making $117,000.00 per year now what will his pension from Frankfort be in a few years? We need to have these positions reviewed by an independent consultant. Do we really need an assistant administraor? I would like to see his job duties. Who are these town officials kidding. I guess it's the tax payers
scorpion October 27, 2012 at 12:51 AM
If he stays working in Illinois Municipal Government for at least 8 years, he will be vested in the IMRF Pension and will receive another pension. It will be a reduced amount unless he works for a long period of time. He will be contributing to the fund, and will receive the benefits he deserves. That is unless he and others find a loophole to bilk the pension system for more money. You are correct MARSHA, do we really need an assistant administrator ? Why does he need a take home vehicle ...why can't he use a pool car for his travels or leave the vehicle at Village Hall and only use it for official business instead of for personal use. This Mayor needs to address some important issues before the next election.


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