Why do people on the left open there mouths and remove all doubt? Every thing they say is totally senseless.Why do they even allow obvious stupidity like this article to be published?I'm with you Gary, except I think the whole country is backwards.

In politics, it's not actually solving the problem that matters most, it's the APPEARANCE of action that is paramount. It's much like David Copperfield- many illusions of action, but in reality it's smoke and mirrors.

Look at any of the real crisis facing America- economy, pensions, immigration, debt and realize absolutely nothing will be done to solve these problems. It is much easier to stoke-up the populace with talk of gay marriage, abortion- or gun control.

If they talk about taking the guns away- futile at this late stage- then it takes the onus off the fact that they are raising our taxes more. Diversion.

As usual New Lenox Mom shows up to pontifficate on how she is always right and the rest of us unwashed peasants are so stupid. It's kind of astounding that with so many anti-gunners in this country , that the Right to carry a firearm has never brought before the Supreme Court to be challenged. Here is your chance to make history New Lenox Mom, step up and petition the Court as you obviously have more brains and insight into this matter than the rest of us. The top lawyers in the country won't touch it with a ten foot pole because they don't want to look stupid before the Court. Like it or not, concealed carry is coming to Illinois in June. If you choose not to carry, or even own a gun, for that matter, that is your right. I lostr a loved one to a violent gangbanger in Chicago in 1988. I do not blame the gun he used to commit the murder, I blame him and the system that coddles criminals and the bleeding hearts like yourself for feeling sorry for them and puts them back out on the streets to commit more crime. My life is worth more to me and my family than what some judge or stupid politician deems it is. I hope you never have to walk into the morgue and identify your loved one who was murdered by some recidivistic maggot after he was found innocent of a prior murder by a technicality and set free. I have also been the victim of violent crime and I refuse to be a victim to the scum of society ever again. Best of luck in your case with the SCOTUS.

NL mom-
Again, nobody is forcing you to own or carry a gun. You can continue to rely on NLPD for all your protection needs. They will gladly come out and photograph the crime scene, wheel-out the bodies, and take a report after a crime.

We are not trying to control you in any form, but you seem intent on controlling what we all carry on our person. Why is that? Do we threaten you? Or is it really just about control, eh?

You may wish to enroll in a philosophy or logic class to help bolster your arguments as your reasoning ability is seriously flawed. I quote the 2nd amendment and you return with one judges dissent from a single case.

New Lenox Mom,
You said "They are only "law abiding" gun owners until they use their gun in an illegal manner."
By your logic, nobody can have anything because there is the possibility that they may use whatever in an illegal manner, an in, he was a law abiding car owner until he killed somebody while driving drunk.

Gang violence and gun laws are two different things. Using stats like that skew your argument.

COB,
You are correct. Gang violence and gun laws are two different things. The difference is that responsible gun owners follow the existing laws and gang members and other criminals don't.
Passing new laws will not affect the people that already break the old laws.

gun owners kill people... well good thing we need better laws.

Guns don't kill, Doctors do. Stats say 195,000 per year

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Abortion clinics kill more innocent unborn children than guns have ever killed born children, or do children not count as people when it comes to the most dangerous - an abortionist with a coat hanger.

Ok " mom", If your heart "bleeds" so bad for children, what are the statistics for the number of children killed by abortion every year? Huh? Or are those not children to you? They are to me and if it's one thing that really gets me hot is people that stand on their pulpit and decry firearms but look the other way when someone goes in and commits MURDER so they can live their selfish lives. I wish I knew what fantasy anti-gun website you get your BS statistics from but I am not even inclined to look as you have labeled us all " NRA gun-crazies" and probably wouldn't know a true statistic if it walked up and bit you. Judging by the way you constantly attack people on this site, my heart bleeds for the poor soul that married you. The courts have ruled in our favor and depending on whose poll you read, if you believe in polls, there are more people on board with the Second Amendment than not. I had to look at my loved one with a bullet hole between his eyes in an ice-cold morgue and still to this day do not believe in gun control. Before you go ballistic on me, go look up abortion numbers in this country and then come back and tell everyone that guns are the deadliest threat to children.

As usual CCW, when you can't debate with facts, change the subject. There is no anti-gun website, FACTS about death by guns comes directly from every state in the union. REAL dead people, killed by a gun! You aren't inclined to research real statistics because it would interfere with the fantasy land you live in. I also don't attack people, I state facts, which unfortunately most conspiracy theorists really don't like. Let me state this again, I am NOT and have NEVER been in favor of banning guns. You can comprehend that right? It is also your right and opinion to not believe in realistic gun safety laws. Good for you, I don't agree with you. There isn't anyone trying to take away second amendment rights, that is an imagined fear mongering tactic brought to you by the very well paid NRA. Again, if you are going to market and spread the fear for them, tell them you want to get paid. The gun manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank getting all the easily led people to run out and stock up on weapons and ammo! Last point....FACT 70-80% of the population is in favor of realistic gun safety laws. FACT, the percentage of homes with weapons has decreased from over 50% in the 70's to just 34% today, yet there are more weapons out in society. So a few people who believe the NRA fear mongering are buying all the weapons waiting for the day that will never come! I don't go ballistic on people who haven't found their way into reality, what would the point be?

So here we go, I acknowledge that there are children killed accidentally with firearms but you want everyone to believe that guns are the biggest threat to children, which they are not. You want to spout off about bleeding from the heart for kids killed with guns but avoid the topic of abortion. That is not changing the subject. You tell me how many children, and they are children, are killed by abortion every day in this country, and then and only then will I look up stats on kids killed with firearms.
We are not saying anyone is taking away our 2A rights. A few people commented on the subject of this article and you came swooping in as usual to prove to the Patch crowd that you are smarter than everyone else. You do this on EVERY article and your excuse is you want to state facts and us "conspiracy theorists" don't like it. Wow! Maybe you haven't figured it out yet but there IS a lot of info on the web to do research with but maybe no one ever told you that not everything you read is the truth. If I told you to go to the NRAs site and look up stats there, you would say it was skewed in our favor. There ARE anti-gun websites to get slanted stats from and I have no interest in reading propoganda. Apparently there millions of legal gun owners in this country and then there is you with all the facts. And by the way, I am not an NRA member, they negotiate too much, I am with Gun Owners of America, so go hurl your insults at the NRA guys.

OK "mom". A quick trip through Bing and I came up with a few stats that I thought weren't skewed in any one way. Excuse my ignorance for not being able to post a link , just got a stubborn new harddrive.
MomLogic reports 500 children are accidentally killed by firearms each year. Now are you ready for this??? Pro Life Action League states that there were over 1.2 MILLION abortions performed . Thats a lot no? Is 500 more than 1.2 million? Us gun crazies don't know math or how to read statistics. I can go find more if you like. Just admit you can't stand to be wrong and by the way, it sounds like your the angry one who should never possess a firearm.

CCW, you are more than welcome to your own opinions, you are however, not entitled to your own facts. Nowhere did I state that guns are the biggest threat to children, nowhere. You did change the subject, this article/opinion is about guns and CC, when there is an article about abortion I would be happy to debate you. You don't want to look up statistics because it would counter your argument and you don't want that to happen. Again, you are wrong in your statements. I did not come "swooping" in. You are upset because I validly countered your "law abiding" nonsense and can't with any logic, debate that fact. I am also intelligent enough to know BS propaganda websites from sites, including government data that states facts in an easy to read statistical manner. I could care less about the NRA and gun owners of America, all the same, different players. They all spout the same false fear mongering! I have heard the junk coming from that group and it is the same, the government is going to take away all your guns, hurry and stockpile. BTW, another falsehood of yours, I didn't hurl insults at the NRA, I stated a fact. The NRA and organizations like them are bought and paid for by the weapons manufacturers, so whichever group you support and want to run around spewing their fear and hate, at least get them to pay you!

Oh that 500 is the number killed by a child accidentally finding a firearm. I would assume that is probably up to age 10 or so. There are a total of over 3000 of all ages killed each year. Still kind of pales in comparison to 1.2 MILLION don't it?

And a quick trip through your lifetime of posts here on the Patch suggests that you DO swoop in to attack people and shoot your mouth off about being the smartest person on the planet. There is no shame in admitting you have a problem. half the battle is admitting you have a problem. Maybe your hubbies insurance can recommend and pay for a good shrink. Good luck.

Oh CCW, you just have to love how easily you anger and make every attempt to prove that only you can be right! Again, this article isn't about abortions, I have no opinion on them, what other women legally do for whatever reason they feel that need is none of my business! I do however love your name calling and insults when you aren't getting your way. I absolutely love your statement that your hard drive prevents you from copying and pasting links! But hey what do I know, I guess you learn something new every day! I feel sad for you that you equate stating facts with attacking. I guess we are all just supposed to sit back and let you spout all your opinions that you attempt to pass off as fact.

Glad you like my statement about my hardrive so maybe , since you know everything why, will it not let me paste a web address at least on this site, did the same thing on Icarry last night. Never-the less you have avoided any question posed to you about your moral fabric and been shown in your true light. Maybe you should get a job and you would feel like you are contributing to society rather than feeling the need to dominate every discussion on this site . I never called you any name , as you accused me of but there is one that sticks in my mind and I bet others would agree. If you feel like you have won a confrontation with me then I feel good about that. Its always better to help people who have an anti-social personality try to reassume their role as a productive citizen in society after years of bitterness. Just please answer one question...are you the steroid-freak woman(?) who looks and acts like a man at Body-Tech where I work out? See you next Tuesday !

CCW, you post so many hateful things, you don't even remember what you post! It's ok, again you are entitled to your opinions and I seriously could care less what ever name you think about or would just love to call me, just proves my point! I guess as far as getting a job, I could say the same about you, since you have posted here all afternoon, do you get government assistance while spouting your hatred for the govt? As for me, I own a very successful business and employ several people. I do have that freedom to work and respond to your really silly nonsense! I understand that you feel the need to only have your opinion and anyone who opposes you, no minds. It's ok, the country is filled with gun radicals, who see no other point but their own, even when wrong! I already gave you my opinion on abortion, sorry that it isn't good enough for you, but then unless I totally agreed with you, it would never be good enough, so we shall end it there! Good luck to you, you sound like a very lonely soul!

New lenox mom...i am glad you claim to be a successful business woman as acting out your fantasies is part of the recovery process. Me, I don't get to post here very much as I am very busy with work and just happened to be off today. It happens, people get the day off and get bored but I'm glad you are coming to terms with your illness. Thank you for making up lies about me and what I have posted. If we go back to my OP, it is very benign and only my opinion but you saw fit, as usual to attack. And thank your for your resume but I believe you are nothing more than an overweight bored housewife. Nice try with the freedom to post thing but I think we all know different. Your post history says it all. Now I have to work tommorow and won't be able to play so your going to have to find someone else to harp on. There are others here that need to be attacked so you should be able to get your fix.

Dear Retired, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you really aren't that dumb! Your statements make zero sense and aren't backed up with any real statistics or facts. Here is a fact, in states with loose gun laws and very free CC permits, deaths by guns are higher than states more heavily regulated. FACT, look it up. Next, nowhere did I say that there should be no guns or people shouldn't be allowed to have guns in their homes. If you can find where I did, please copy and paste. The government is not telling you that you don't have a right to protect your home or property.....PLEASE turn off fox and stop listening to the NRA! Educate yourself. Lastly, my points aren't valid because they happened in a home? REALLY?? A) the original comment was about "law abiding" gun owners being picked on, so if you are one of those so called law abiding gun owners and you shoot and kill someone because you have anger management issues, WHERE you killed them is of no relevance, the point still stands, those people instantly are no longer "law abiding". PERIOD! B) Just because it happened in a home, does not mean it does not affect the PUBLIC AT LARGE. That woman, that child is a part of the public! Personally I don't care what you have in your home and I nor anyone else is dictating, but based on your ignorance and propensity to anger easily, you are probably not a person who should legally be allowed to have a weapon.

HIS PROPENSITY TO ANGER EASILY??? Bwahahaha!! You called the guy dumb in your very first sentence! AND psychologically profiled him as well! I apologize Mrs. Knowitall, you are the Patch's hero. BOYS LETS ALL TURN IN OUR GUNS, THIS NEWLENOX MOM HAS THE WHOLE LEGAL GUN-OWNING CROWD BEAT. THANKS FOR SHOWING US THE ERROR OF OUR WAYS MOM!

You are quite welcome CCW! I guess if you are going to turn in your guns....BONUS!

NL, if all you going to do is spew nonsense and tell everyone who doesnt have a viewpoint such as yours that they re stupid makes me wonder about you, and then to top it off youre going to question my sanity and mental capacity for owning a gun? why? Because someone being shot in the home isnt damaging to the public at large? When was the last time an disgruntled spouse shot their better half in their home and missed striking and killing a child on a playground or an innocent child walking down the street, thats my meaning behind it, bothe are horrible but you cant use it in the arguement for gun violence as a whole because they arent exactly happening as much as random shootings, secondly you seem to skip right over my paragraph about CCW Being a crime deterrent, and before you spew about where your facts, you dont need any, this is common sense, would you try and attack someone not knowing for sure that theyre toting a pistol somewhere in their posession? hence why I say Deterrent, no one pulls out their weapon, no crime gets comitted everyone goes about his/her business safely! and since you wanted peoof on something, Ill go with your counterclaim that you say the government is not telling us we cant protect our person or property? whats refusal of a CCW law called? were not allowed to carry a handgun for protection because why? oh yea cause the government says its illegal! get over yourself!

Do you ever feel the need to get the last word in ? If so, you may be annoying.

Plus I just got your gun that I can keep or sell at a pawn shop.

Mike brother, thanks for the great argument. They need lobbyists like you in Washington. You should apply, I think you have what it takes. Now I think your mom is done vacuuming so she probably will want her computer back. If you can't afford your medication, Astra-Zeneca may be able to help.

The old Grandpa said:

I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

When did "well-regulated Miltia" become "untrained John Wayne wannabes"?

Mike F.
Are you referring to the highly trained police? Like the ones in New York City that shot 9 people by the Empire State Building? http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting
Maybe you were thinking about the highly trained officers that shot this 83 year old woman in her own backyard. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-gun-83-year-old-woman-responding-911-call-dialed-article-1.1168282
Studies have shown that only 2% of civilian shooting involve an innocent person mistakenly thought to be a criminal. The highly trained police officers have a rate of about 11%.

Maybe Mike F. is referring to the highly trained LAPD officers who were looking for ex-cop Dorner in his grey Nissan pick-up, so they shot two ladies delivering newspapers out of a blue Toyota pick-up

*How about where the 2nd Amendment STATES ABOUT BEING "...A PART OF A WELL REGULATED MILITIA"? *Are all of you "gun toters" or "gun toting wannabees" a member of a "...WELL REGULATED MILITIA" - *OR do you just think "toting a gun" somehow makes you a MACHO individual? - *Instead of just some jerk blowing smoke - *When you do NOT really know what you are talking about? *OR are you even capable of thinking logically or intelligently?

Granny Gruntz 7:42 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
*How about where the 2nd Amendment STATES ABOUT BEING "...A PART OF A WELL REGULATED MILITIA"? *Are all of you "gun toters" or "gun toting wannabees" a member of a "...WELL REGULATED MILITIA" - *OR do you just think "toting a gun" somehow makes you a MACHO individual? - *Instead of just some jerk blowing smoke - *When you do NOT really know what you are talking about? *OR are you even capable of thinking logically or intelligently?