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Inside the 'Perversion Files' of the Illinois Boy Scouts

Scouts were stripped naked and rubbed with ice cubes, forced to have oral sex with their troop leaders and molested on camping trips. These and other sex crimes are detailed in files the Boy Scouts of America kept secret for decades.

 

What do an elementary schoolteacher, a voodoo cultist, a shipping clerk and a prison guard have in common?

Each has a "perversion file" kept by the Boy Scouts of America in secret records that detail decades of sex abuse allegations.

Almost 300 cases involving men and Boy Scout troops throughout Illinois are among the 1,200 secret Boy Scout files released last week by order of the Oregon Supreme Court.

In Illinois, the files date to the 1960s and extend through the ensuing five decades. The Boy Scouts of America used these records to prevent blackballed Scout leaders from returning to the organization with other troops. The files are filled with correspondence between the leadership of the Scouts and troop leaders, interviews with Scouts and parents, as well as newspaper clippings about arrest reports and molestation trials.

Information in the files was used against the Boy Scouts in a 2010 lawsuit alleging six Scouts were molested by a Scout Master in the 1980s. The Oregon firm representing the six Scouts in the lawsuit fought for the release of the secret “perversion files” and ultimately won a $20 million judgment. The records were submitted to the court under seal as evidence in the lawsuit, but Oregon’s high court ordered the files to be opened to the public.

These records were so secret even some Boy Scout leaders didn't know they existed. The files have been posted to the web in recent days. The names of volunteers expelled by the Boy Scouts are included in many but not all of the files, and victims’ names have been redacted.

PATCH DATABASE: Search for your town and troop in the Illinois "perversion files"

Wayne Perry, the national president of the Boy Scouts of America, released the following statement: “There have been instances where people misused their positions in Scouting to abuse children, and in certain cases, our response to these incidents and our efforts to protect youth were plainly insufficient, inappropriate, or wrong. Where those involved in Scouting failed to protect, or worse, inflicted harm on children, we extend our deepest and sincere apologies to victims and their families.”

Who were those victims and families?

In Joliet, the boys of Troop 239 fell victim to a prison guard during a camping trip. In Bensenville, the boys in Troop 444 were forced to strip naked for their troop leader so he could rub ice cubes on their bodies. In Oak Lawn, the Scout leader for Troop 1600 forced his boys to endure oral sex. A boy from Troop 294 in Chicago was sexually assaulted three times during a single trip to a Naperville campground.

These are just four cases in the hundreds of Illinois files involving troops in Batavia, Chicago Heights, Downers Grove, Forest Park, Frankfort, Joliet, Naperville, Oak Lawn, Plainfield, St. Charles, Wheaton and dozens of other Illinois communities.

While expelling suspected sexual predators from its ranks, the Boy Scouts also kept the abuse under wraps and failed to report some Scout leaders to the authorities. Several letters in the files reveal Scout leadership's expressed intent to keep the reported sex crimes "confidential."

No longer confidential, here is a glimpse into the Boy Scouts of America "perversion files." Patch will continue to report on all Chicago-area files as they are opened to the public.

JOLIET, CUB PACK 239 AND SCOUT TROOP 239

In 1970, Patrick Farrell was a 40-year-old state prison guard, a Cubmaster with Cub Pack 239 and assistant Scoutmaster with Troop 239. A year into his duty with the Scouts, allegations arose that he molested boys in his care. But three months after Farrell quit the Scouts, the BSA was reluctant to blacklist him, according to his file.

Earl L. Krall, a director with the Boy Scouts, sent a Jan. 28, 1971, letter to Rainbow Council Scout Executive Alfred I. Gardner asking for “some concrete evidence of his antisocial behavior.” Two months later, Krall got his concrete evidence in the form of a newspaper clipping recounting Farrell’s conviction for “'taking indecent liberties' with two boys at a LaSalle County campground.”

The newspaper clip in the file states that Farrell was sentenced to two years in prison.

“This is precisely the type of information we need for our file,” Boy Scouts Registration and Membership Supervisor Paul Ernst wrote of the clipping in April 1971, noting that such information “should help us in the future, should this individual ever again attempt to register in the scouting program."

BENSENVILLE, SCOUT TROOP 444

In Bensenville, the boys of Bensenville Moose Lodge Boy Scout Troop 444 were told they needed to get naked as part of their initiation into the Scouts. In this file, signed testimony from several Scouts details how an Elmhurst man, in his 20s at the time told the boys to lie down naked while the Scout leader rubbed ice on them.

"Initiation consisted of me taking down my pants and off my shirt in front of the other boys, who told me he also did it to them," one 14-year-old boy wrote in June 1975. "This was about 9 or 10 months ago at Whitewater. He used a little cube of ice and rubbed it on my belly, thy (thigh) and once in a while on my penis while I was lying down."

The assistant Scoutmaster claimed in a letter to Boy Scout leadership that the troop leader admitted to assaulting 13 boys in the troop after parents came forward in June of 1975.

A letter to the accused from Scout Executive Walter Johnson, dated June 24, 1975, states: "After careful review, we have decided that your registration with the Boy Scouts of America should be suspended. … Please also understand that this decision and the reasons for it will be maintained as confidential."

There is nothing in the file to indicate whether this abuse was reported to police or if the Scout leader in question was ever arrested and prosecuted.

OAK LAWN, SCOUT TROOP 1600

In Oak Lawn, Thomas Hacker crafted the public persona of a wholesome family man and schoolteacher. But Hacker was able to hide his secret past of abusing young boys from his employers, friends, neighbors—and the Boy Scouts of America. The earliest record in Hacker’s “perversion” file is a “confidential record sheet” dated June 8, 1970, in which a Boy Scout official recommends that Hacker be placed  in the “ineligible volunteer file” after he pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy in Indianapolis.

Hacker's sentence of one to five years in an Indiana prison was suspended on the stipulation he receive psychiatric treatment. Hacker received permission to relocate to Chicago’s northwest suburbs, where a year later he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of indecent liberties with a child. But Hacker does not appear in the Boy Scout perversion files again until 17 years later—after he was charged with six counts of aggravated sexual assault for molesting three Boy Scouts, ages 11 and 13, from St. Louis de Montfort Church in Oak Lawn in 1988, according to published news reports in his confidential file.

Eventually, he would be charged with 25 counts of having oral sex with underage Boy Scouts. At his 1989 trial, Cook County prosecutors said Hacker was able to elude the Boy Scouts of America’s internal controls for tracking pedophiles by changing his middle initial. He was convicted and is currently is serving a 30-year prison sentence. He is listed as a “sexually dangerous person” in the Illinois Sex Offender Registry.

CHICAGO, SCOUT TROOP 294

The first inkling that Boy Scout Troop 294 from Douglas Park had a leadership problem surfaced at a “Camporee” in May 1977, when troop leaders were said to be playing cards and imbibing in alcoholic beverages while supervising the youths. A month later, a pair of twenty-something Scoutmasters would be arrested and charged with several counts of sexually assaulting an 11-year-old boy at a Boy Scout camp near Naperville.

According to news reports of the day, Charles Fugate, of Chicago, whose hobby was “voodoo cultism,” lured the 11-year-old to the woods under the pretense of earning a merit badge and then sexually assaulted him. The boy was assaulted two more times on the camping trip, including another attack in a tent as another Boy Scout slept.

Chicago police arrested Fugate after the 11-year-old boy’s father confronted the 22-year-old assistant Scoutmaster at his home. He was released without charges when police learned the assault occurred in DuPage County. Fugate went on the lam until he surrendered himself to authorities a few days later.

Patrick Allen Weglarz was charged with concealing a fugitive — Fugate — as well as two counts of contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor. Weglarz was alleged to have been present during two of the attacks on the 11-year-old boy. Astonishingly, both Scout leaders were allowed to take a group of Boy Scouts camping the weekend after their arrests, where another assault occurred.

A DuPage County record of criminal indictment said that Welgarz “placed his mouth on the sex organ” of the victim. Welgarz, 26 at the time, and his 22-year-old assistant, were charged with taking indecent liberties with a 12-year-old Boy Scout.

EXPELLED SCOUT LEADERS: Search for your town in the Illinois "perversion files"

Related Topics: Boy Scouts Expulsions, Boy Scouts of America, Perversion Files, Secret Files, and Sex Abuse

SpeakingUp

6:57 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Hacker was my CCD teacher in the 1970s at St Louis DeMontefort. He and Father Maday were quite the team. I kept telling my parents they were strange and I didn't like them. My parents would get mad at me and tell me I was going to hell for talking like this about "men of god". Such stupidity on my parents part. I know who is going to hell now.

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lala

7:40 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Please don't blame your parents. It was the times. Your parents were taught that those in authority could do no wrong. The perv priest and scout leader are to blame as I am sure you know. I hope you can heal. My parents were like that too. Thank God times have changed.

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SpeakingUp

7:46 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I will always blame my parents too. When a child comes to you consistantly telling you something is wrong and you in turn stick your head in the sand then you are also to blame. Times or not. My mother to this day will defend Maday and Hacker and tell me I was making it all up in my head. Please do not lecture to me about my parents.

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Carin

11:15 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

There was a Father Maday at my grammar school who was transferred out due to his behavior. Only to molest children where he was transferred. I do not blame you for being angry with your parents. You were an innocent child and the parents back then acted as if being a victim was tarnishing the family name. I call B.S.

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lala

12:53 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

SpeakingUp - Sorry if you thought I was lecturing but that was not my intention.

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Tired of the B.S.

1:12 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Well, aren't you quite the racist, Care Bear.

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Carin

1:47 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

B.S. - who are you calling racist? I don't see how any comments SpeakingUp, lala or my own have anything to do with race?

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Lorraine Swanson

2:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

SpeakingUp, I would like to talk to you and other Scouts from Troop 1660. Please email me at lorraine.swanson@patch.com.

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Tired of the B.S.

3:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I was calling a poster named "Care Bear Here" a racist based on the comment that he/she posted. It was a pretty long, very racist comment that is now gone.

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The Care Bear Here

4:34 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

WOW speaking up

I am sorry this happened to you

similiar thing happened to me too, and my parents had this same thought pattern, I am over blaming them, that is non productive behavior , my goal was always to heal not blame my parents.

and i am only 37 and my parents are 60 so this wasn't that back in the day or as lala say it was the times, no not really.

it still happens today whith people not believing these kids
Things havenot changed for the better , they are much worst !

parents relying on these type of organizations, because there are many single parent households.

Back in the day my grandmother says there was more stay at home mothers and the fathers worked and it was happening even then

I am sorry but this is going to far and it is not better it's worst, every other month of every year you hear about adults raping children

priest,teachers, pastors coaches, neighbors,Boy scout leaders, day care providers parents and the list goes on.......

How could anyone think this is getting better?????????

concernedresident

7:08 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

So what happens to the BSA for covering this up? A slap on the hand, and by the way don't let this happen again? Just as bad as the catholic church getting away with hiding it's perverts. Society needs to stand up and rip this organization apart as well as any other organization that thinks it is ok to hide these assaults from the public eye.

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lala

7:45 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

You are correct. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools. After all the charges came out and the pervs were named, it shook me to the core. Shook me so much I never set foot in a church or gave them a penny. I also do not donate money to organizations that support the church. BSA will be on my do not donate to list as well.

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Rita

3:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

THAT I would definitely like to know, if there are going to be any repercussions to the BSA for covering this all up for so long and what the repercussions will be.

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Lorraine Swanson

2:17 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

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Joseph R Craig

7:22 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Good to see that there is nothing in our area and little in DuPage County. This supports the Scout's recent training and policies to protect the Scouts.

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Tro

7:37 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

This one is probably not in the "files", but a neighbor of ours in LaSalle county was the local boy scout leader and little league coach. Got caught molesting boys on a boy scout trip and then committed suicide. On all appearances he was a nice guy, boy were we fooled.

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honeybadger

8:30 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

My son is a scout. He loves scouting. This sickens me beyond my own belief that there has be yet another cover-up on adults abusing our children. These incidents are violent, obscene and sick. It's unfortunate that we have to educate our children to not trust those we allow to be in their lives. Glad that monster named in LaSalle County is dead. I am not a judgemental person, but these people need to all be tortured and killed. Rehab....these people are never reformed. Does a recovering alcoholic take a job in a bar? Keep this sick-bleeps the F away from our kids. And my those who are truly good and in it for our kids for healthy reasons always be protected.

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Michelle Smith

8:35 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Maybe we should have thought that it is not normal for a adult man wanting to play with little kids. Cause honestly any adult man who wants to play with kids are probably not normal.

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SouthSide

10:16 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

They're not all "playing with kids." Most of them are teaching, mentoring, being a respectable male role model. There is absolutely nothing abnormal about these attributes.

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Dutch Oven Chef

8:52 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Wow, that's a really bad comment Michelle. I was a Cub Scout/Boy Scout leader for over 10 years. Sure we "played" with the boys but we also taught them skills, worked with them to build character and taught them things that will help them in life. In some cases, I was one of the only male authority figures in their lives as their fathers were not interested/around to help them. So, in my world, it was very normal for me to want to work with and mentor these boys and help them grow into fine young men.

Mike Schauer

8:36 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I worked with Father Maday,and was teaching an Adult class the he was led out of the Rectory,in Handcuffs. He was and still is a monster. Speakingup,I agree the problem lies with the parents. Most of whom turn a deaf ear,to their children,when told of abuse because some parents just can't believe that a person they trusted could,or would do something so sinister to their child. After thousands,and thousands of abuse cases,there still is denial,from parents as well as the Catholic Church. The coverup,by the BSA,and the Catholic Church,are just as evil,and those in charge are just as guilty. And in my opinion when a child,is abused by a pedophile,there is no punishment fair enough,except death. The child forever is scarred,and must live with that another day. The pedophile can sit in his/or her cell and dream of another victim.

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RobertS

8:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

It sickens me to hear these cases... As a gay man and the stance that the Boy Scouts have towards my community, I pray this doesn't make the issue even more entrenched. We need to remember, pedophiles are from ALL aspects of life. I really think the Scouts need to consider women as leaders as well...

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SouthSide

9:55 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I agree with you 100%, RobertS.

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lala

12:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts do have woman leaders. I was a Cub Scout leader until my son lost interest. Our Scout Master was a woman and I do know female Boy Scout Leader's as well.

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Jason Akai

12:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Robert - we have LOTS of women in leadership roles in the Pack I am a part of. I totally agree with you, and support your concerns. Being homosexual and a pedo are not the same thing, but when people don't understand one - they lump them together to make sense of it.

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ILalumn

6:23 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

RobertS, I think the point of the Boy Scouts of America rejecting homosexuals while at the same time hiding this information and protecting guilty people just like the Catholic Church, is not to say that the issue could become more entrenched, but rather it shows what HYPOCRITES they are. It sounds like the cover ups are widespread and who knows how far this goes in other states. It is almost as if a culture of secretism exists around a continuum of behaviors (from creepy to criminal) that these BSA people don't want to be interrupted, by people who are open and honest about their sexuality. Rather than worry about how it makes gay people look, let's think about the fact that most or all of these molestors were "straight" married men. Our society is full of repressed closet cases, and the old-fashioned way is to keep things in the closet where they continue to do damage, rather than to allow them to be out in the open where they can be healthy and free, and have adult relationships, rather than raping 12 year old boys.

Dan D

9:10 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

What is interesting is the fact that nearly every man in these perversion files held by the BSA were straight and married. Yet, the BSA blame the homosexuals and ban them from being members. Molestation of children is not homosexual behavior but somehow the BSA condemns homosexuals for behavior that these straight men did and do to this day. Such a wonderful organization.

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RobertS

11:38 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Amen!! I really used to believe in the organization but when discrimination and bigotry play a role, I have to question just how "American" they are...

concernedresident

9:11 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

@RobertS, you open up a whole can of worms introducing women into this organization. What about the school teachers having sex with students. You don't think that something similar is going to happen?

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RobertS

11:40 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I honestly think anyone with the sickening perversion can do it; but I honestly believe they BSA needs to open thier scope and look for the best leaders, not based upon sex, sexuality, etc., but for their qualities as a leader and role-model for the children involved.

Nolan

9:32 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I was fondled by a scout leader who was also a religious leader in the Mt. Greenwood neighborhood in the mid 70's. I was 11 and I punched him in the eye knocking him down and yelling at him. The next week I was asked to leave the troop because I did not believe in god. I joined another troop a year later and had no problems there (It was at a suburban park district), but an assistant scout leader was asked to leave because he was gay (which I found out years later). I gained so much from my time in the Boy Scouts of America. The boy scouts organization needs to clean up it's act by doing thorough background checks on scout leaders and filing legal action investigations quickly against all leaders accused of any wrong doings. They also need to stop being prejudiced against gay and atheist scouts and leaders. Maybe we should take away their merit badge for fairness. Every boy deserves a chance to participate in the boy scouts.

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SouthSide

9:57 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I agree with you, Nolan. 100%.

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marty

11:49 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I agree with you Nolan. Also, the boy scouts and girls scouts should be held accountable for ANY wrong doing to our children and youth.

Christopher Buddy Vavrinek

9:47 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I think everyone of you need to remember the times that these cases took place. BSA has worked very hard to make sure things are well run and on the up and up. It is not the organizations fault. As someone stated in an earlier comment - "Please don't blame your parents. It was the times." - Don't blame the BSA it was the individual leaders. There will always be a few bad apples in any organization.

BSA has several regulations in place to prevent such things from happening. If the news organizations really cared about reporting facts - how has the number of cases changed over the years? I would place bets that today the number of cases is much much lower.

Today BSA reports all cases to the proper authorities, we do back ground checks on all adults registering and make sure that an adult is never alone with a youth. Compare these current rules and regulations to what was in place years ago.

Congratulations to the BSA for recognizing a problem and doing everything they can to correct it. So that we can continue to offer young men the ultimate leadership training experience.

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SouthSide

9:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Oh for Pete's sake. Don't let your guard down. BSA is still foul.

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Will County Resident

12:51 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Don't blame the BSA for covering it up before, because they did worked slightly hard to prevent this for the future?

YEAH RIGHT!!!! They covered it up so nobody would find out. Children were denied justice for decades. Sweet organization you have there.

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Jason Akai

12:57 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Well said, Chris. We report to the police before calling our Council for issues. BSA isn't a investigative body, the police are. They can sort this out. We take this very seriously.

BSA, parents, Catholic churches - all "should have known" in the past (as has been stated in this reply list). They all should have done better. They didn't - and we need to clean this up - both in making amends for things in the past (to the degree we can) and for ensuring this sort of mess and coverup never happens again under our watch.

anonymous

9:52 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Why do ignorant people always have to blame the church it sucks that one bad apple can ruin the bunch... Why does everyone have to blame the Catholic church the Boy Scouts are in public schools as well not just in Catholic churches but its ignorance that you judge God's Church to blame for these cases. Thats like blaming the parents of a child for something the child does when the parent is not there. Give me a break with all the blaming and shame on all of who want to sit there and blame the church so much that you turn your back on God for some pervert dont blame God blame the person. If any of you even believed in so much of there being a God then you know the truth and God will take care of it if not have mercy on your soul because you will be burning in hell right next to the perverts!!!! Go to church and ask God to save your souls now for being so disrespectful to God!!

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SouthSide

10:04 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

BSA is an organization that disallows atheists. You think that's a coincidence? I don't. "Fear of God" scares these children's mouths shut. As for God taking care of it, that's all good and well once a believer dies, but their life on earth is a living hell.

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lala

12:51 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I blame the Catholic church administration for turning their backs on the boys that were violated. I don't go to church but I do believe in God. I also no longer give money to the Catholic church. I never molested a child so I doubt I will be on fire next to Maday.

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Lee Shell

1:17 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Since you're on your pulpit, one would think you would include your name.

Kristina Pettit

10:03 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

So many really good people invest and volunteer their otherwise free time into the lives of these kids. The idea represented by Ms. Smith that there is something abnormal (or wrong) with men in our society being interested in building up the next generation is sad at best-and outrightly destructive at worst.

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concernedresident

10:42 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

This all goes back to supply and demand. Put a bunch of young people (boys or girls) together and the predators will infiltrate the organization. The organization needs to not turn the other cheek. The organization needs to start checking, by performing background checks, giving mental evaluations, shadowing those adults that are volunteering or working with these youth or religious groups.

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Flora Dora

11:18 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I am very glad that my son was neither a Boy Scout nor an altar boy! He was a cub scout but I was his Den Mother and he never wanted to go on to Scouts.

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Metro

11:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I'm sorry that this happened and that it was covered up. The only good that can come from this is that organizations are now learning how to deal with this. My kids were scouts and enjoyed the experience. I still appreciate the leaders they had and the time they sacrificed with the kids. I just think parents have to be engaged and involved in the activites they choose for their kids. Pedophiles will target children with absentee parents. No organization is exempt so you can't just single out the Boy Scouts.

mike ellison

11:41 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

These are tragic stories of abuse. It would be interesting to find out how many of these Scout groups were associated with churches- specifically Catholic churches. It is interesting to note the BSA terminated the membership of these abusers as compared to the Catholic church who just transferred their abusers outside of the area.

I do wonder if some of these terrible situations weren't reported to the authorities simply due to lack of enough evidence to successfully prosecute. The BSA is put in the awful situation of not wanting to ruin someone's reputation if they're not absolutely sure what went on, while at the same time terminating the membership of the abuser to get them out of dealing with kids.

I've never been associated with Scouts other than volunteering as an outsider for various events. But from my little knowledge of their operations I believe they have some pretty stringent requirements in place nowadays as to how the adults have to interact with the kids.

It's very sad that there is even one situation of abuse, but tens of millions of kids have been involved in scouting in the years since these events were recorded, and one would expect that the same criminals would be involved in the same percentage in any organization.

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mike ellison

11:43 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The gay issue is really clear to me. Any man who is abusing young boys is obviously gay. There's no other way to look at it. So yes, making sure that gays aren't part of the organization would have prevented these atrocities from happening.

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Will County Resident

12:53 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

They were married.

Any man who makes comments as dumb as this is obviously gay.

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lala

1:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Here are some facts for you mik ellison/Anita Bryant: According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men. The Child Molestation Research and Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.

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Emily

3:36 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mike - if you really believe that, there's no hope for you. None.

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Emily

3:41 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

A pedophile is a person who molests a child. Gender is not an issue. So you think if a grown man molests a little girl it isn't pedophilia since they are opposite genders?

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RobertS

5:01 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mike:

The fact is, the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, their crime is not of passion, it is of dominance and submission. Rape is not caused by sex, it is caused by hatred and anger. Do some reading, you may be enlightened!

concernedresident

11:52 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mike I think that you are a little off-base on that comment. Because you like to abuse young boys does not make you gay it makes you a monster. I am not gay but I do have an open mind to alternative lifestyles and respect those that make certain choices that don't have a negative impact upon others. You need to understand and open your eyes to things before throwing that out there. Hate to go down the religion road but the Catholics don't believe in recognizing gays but these priest molested young boys, so are they gay? Obviously going against all that they were taught and believe in, or are they just monsters?

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mike ellison

12:53 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Men who sexually abuse boys are indeed gay. What is so difficult to understand about that? The priests who abused young boys were also gay. See a pattern there?

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Jason Akai

1:26 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The interest to have sex with underaged people is not the same as sex with a partner of the same sex. One is a predator who is taking advange of a position of power and authority.

The other is a person who is in a relationship like all the other married and dating hetrosexuals - except that their partner is the same sex.

Its unfortunate that some people have these tendancies, and more unfortunate that we didn't have adequate safeguards to avoid the risks involved. It makes me sad, and angry at those who were involved.

I don't have a finger to point in anger at our local Packs, Troops, Districts or Council. All the adults there now were not involved in any cover ups. If they were, I would not stand by it.

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Mark Huegelmann

3:17 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Pedophilia and homosexuality are two different things. There is some crossover, but not all gays are pedophiles. Where did you get your information Mike? Please cite your sources.

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Emily

3:37 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mike - Every gay person I know is absolutely fabulous and none of them are attracted to children. So come out from under the rock you've been under since 1960 and welcome to reality

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Emily

3:40 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mike - define pedophile. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Rita

1:27 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Being a current Cub Scout Den Leader and my husband being a current Boy Scout Leader, because our boys are young, this is all very unsettling. Which is why as parents, regardless of the organization or church, as a parent you HAVE to be involved, which is why we chose to be leaders. The BSA has learned (to some extent) because of these situations. Each leader yearly has to go through a course on just this subject (can't remember the name of the actual course right now). There is ALWAYS supposed to be two leaders present, no leader can be alone with a boy, and the boys can never be alone they always have to use a buddy system, even if just to go to the washroom, especially then actually. Each volunteer has to take this course. Is it 100% full proof? I'm sure it's not, as with any system put in place. But if you have good leaders and parents are involved to teach and protect their children, it works, But it only works with parental involvement. I see way to many people using organizations as a baby sitting service.

As for the gay aspect,personally I do know the Scouts do not teach this is their curriculum. Are they against gays? Yes, but they do no teach bigotry, that begins at home. Again, it comes from the parents. Are the Scouts wrong in their actions against gays? Absolutely, but it's the parents job to teach them that. There are way more benefits for a child in Scouts, than bad. Like someone said, one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch,

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Olddeegee

1:45 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

From your post " Are they against gays? Yes, but they do no teach bigotry..."
Actually, being against gay rights is the definition of bigotry. Just as much as being for "separate but equal" was racist.

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Emily

3:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Preventing a boy who did the work and earned badges from becoming an Eagle Scout because he's gay is bigotry. A person cannot help being gay any more than one can help what ethnicity they are.

Rita

1:56 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Don't get me wrong, I didn't say I'm for it, I'm going by our own experience with Scouts. Our Scout Troop does NOT teach bigotry and does not condone these actions. My husband and I were actually on the fence regarding leaving Scouts when a LOT of the gay issues came up, as was many of the other leaders we spoke with. Fortunately we have good leaders. Both my boys want to get the Eagle Scout. Eagle Scout is a tool they can use their entire lives, not just a season on the football field. The leadership skills and real life skills they are taught go way beyond anything a school can teach.

What I was trying to say is bigotry starts at home, if you condone it in your home, your child learns it regardless of whether they are a Scout or not. A parent is a child's first and last teacher and protector. More parents need to step up, take responsibility for their children, quit pawning them off on every and any sport or activity they can so they don't have to be the parent, and be the parent! Instead of just dropping your kid off, stay and watch, listen and learn what your child is. It is your responsibility as a parent to be a parent, not just the one putting the money up so your kid shuts up and gives you an hour of quiet time.

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Lorraine Swanson

1:57 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I find this incredibly sad. My brothers and I went through the Boy/Girl Scout program. My father was a Cubmaster and Scoutmaster; my mom was a den mother and "badge mother" for my Girl Scout troop. My parents just wanted to be involved in their children's lives, help other kids whose families weren't as stable as mine, and create some great family memories. After reading these files, I hope the BSA especially, cleans up its act. I'd hate to think that my parents wasted their time.

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Steve Seaney

4:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

My son was a cub scout and a boy scout for a few months. I went through the background checks and leadership training. From my perspective, BSA has put in an active program that includes background checks, leadership training, scout training, rules for interaction, and a formal audit mechanism. After completing the training, I felt more comfortable with my son's safety in scouts than at church or school. It might be an interesting followup article.

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Gary

4:36 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Your Mom and Dad didn't waste their time, you apparently grew up to be a fine adult, respected in the community, dedicated to reporting the truth! How much of that was taught to you in Scouting,

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TG

10:49 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

There seems to be a huge difference between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. That is where the problem started for the BSA. Cubs were mostly den mothers and things at home. Boy Scouts was were the children were taken out of the homes and into the world of men by men. That what makes these crimes so awful.

Rita

2:03 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Reading your articles and seeing the research you put into this article Lorraine, obviously your parents didn't waste their time. They were parents, as it should be.

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Emily

2:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Here's one thing I think everyone can agree on. One case of child molestation is too many.
If any organization defends, protects, covers up any crime on a child. It should be destroyed.

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Emily

9:12 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I am failing to understand you version of rational thinking.

First off, my friends are not GAY, they are gay. Second, if you think pedophiles are just adults that are nice and work especially well with children then I suppose every school teacher, day care worker, child care giver, nanny, baby sitter are pedophiles? Or does this only relate to men?
No, I don't know what people do when I am not around but that goes for everyone in the world not just my gay friends.

Vincent Russell

3:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

While even one child abused is a heinous crime, the Boy Scout report, like the one on the Catholic Church, shows that only .005% of the scout leaders were abusers. The same results are found across criminals in other organizations as well such as schools, sports teams, volunteer groups, etc.

The common factor of the criminals within these groups, however, is that they were homosexuals preying upon post-pubescent boys, trying to their fill their ephebophilia same-sex urges.

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Will County Resident

10:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Wrong. The common factor of these crimes is the organization tries to cover it up.

If every sexual predator in boyscouts was reported to the police and thrown in jail, I would have no problem with them. But they aren't. The boyscouts did everything they could to bury this.

Bob Warja

3:28 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I am certainly not surprised by this, though I am sickened by it. Any activity that involves little boys, especially when the people involved do not have children, has always been suspect to me. Priesthood attracts homosexuals because they do not allow them to marry. Scout troops, sports teams, etc are all loaded with perverts who know they can have access to potential victims.

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Emily

3:45 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Bob - I believe these pedophiles fled to the church basically to hide. Only it supplied them opportunity to carry out their horrible deeds. I don't believe Priests become pedophiles, I believe pedophiles become priests. Again, pedophiles are not homosexuals. There is a difference. (you might want to say that out loud a few times to get it to stick) Not allowing them to marry isn't an issue, these men can leave the church anytime they choose. (which is why the number or priests is dwindling)

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I dont care bout care bear

7:11 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

cb. what do you mean by, we all know who pedophiles and serial killers are. thats another racial slur, i've heard blacks refer to whites as serial killers and pedophiles many many times. by way of saying we don't have those kinds. or we don't commit those kind of crimes. are you sure your not a woman. you sure sound like one.lol

Mark Huegelmann

3:44 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The Boy Scouts of America was founded on the principals that boys need to spend more time outdoors, learning about the beauty of nature. Obviously there is much the Boy Scouts have to answer for. We do not have children so someone can abuse and molest them. Attention on child abuse finally resulted in mandated reporting in 1970. Teachers were required to report suspected abuse. Today there is awareness on every level, and our children are much better protected. They can be happy and enjoy their childhood, and Scouting. I was a Scout as a youth and none of our leaders were pedophiles. As an adult Scout leader our Troop protects our boys. We have no leaders who do not or did not have children in our Troop, Additionally, every adult has to take Youth Protection training or he or she cannot camp with the Troop. This training tells what to do in cases of suspected abuse. We do not allow a youth and adult to be alone together. We call that two-deep leadership. We also look for bullying, taunting, hazing and any other inappropriate behavior by the boys themselves. Scouting has changed and the Boy Scout Troops in Lemont are clean because we have a great deal of parent involvement: we all get to know each other, we appreciate and understand that the boys are special and we want them to grow into responsible adults. Visit a Troop meeting. You will see boys learning skills they can use in life, the boys run the meetings, they have fun, and they are happy.

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Jack Walker

3:50 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I cannot believe poster Care Bear Here is allowed to post on this website anymore!! The racist comments and innuendo are blatant and inflamatory! The post that the editor removed was disgusting, the one put in its place wasn't as bad, but still racist in tone. Others have been banned for far less, so what gives? Special treatment?

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Emily

3:54 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Jack - give them a minute to view it. They are not monitoring 24/7 Flag it and they will get to it when they can.

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Emily

5:25 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Care Bear - take it easy. I said nothing to you or about you. I was merely pointing out to someone else to allow the moderator of the page a minute to catch up. Period. I said nothing in favor of them flagging your comments. Flag all of mine if you like.

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Tired of the B.S.

7:14 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Care Bear,
You want pictures to try to make a case that the child molesters were non-minorities (white).
Be careful what you wish for, you racist. The pictures may not be what you are looking for.
Interesting data from the Department of Justice:
*blacks are 4.3 times more likely to molest children in the US than whites.(ojp.usdoj.gov ).
Was that the common thread you were referring to?

mike ellison

3:57 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

You guys need to take a course in critical thinking and stop reading into my comments. If a male is attracted to a male then they are gay. That's called a definition. Now we get to apply that definition to what we are able to ascertain about a situation. These Scout leaders who were male and who were attracted to the young male Scouts are therefore gay. If you want to get technical about it then they are bi-sexual if they are married. Pick your perversion.

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Emily

5:26 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Man to man is gay. Female to female is gay. Man to child = pedophile, Female to child = pedophile. Gender need not apply.

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Emily

5:47 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mike - you seemed confused. I think you think pedophiles are only adult men molesting boys. It's not that at all. It's any adult that molests any child. If you are attracted to small children no matter the gender, you might be a pedophile.

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The Care Bear Here

6:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Emily are you that dumbfounded that you need to explain that?

You wear stupid well.........

IRRATIONAL you are, come up with something of value to say

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Emily

6:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Care Bear,
I do, as unfortunate as it is, I do feel it needs to be explained because it's not getting through to him and he insists on repeatedly saying this nonsense.
So there.

Rita

4:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Personally I think rapists, molesters and pedophiles should be marked in some way they can not cover up and is clearly visible at all times, IF and only if, they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (like DNA or witnesses). Then let lose into the public. Cheaper on the tax payers and an example to society and they live in fear of what the public may do to them for the rest of their lives, much like the victim being scarred the rest of their lives and living in fear.

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The Care Bear Here

4:54 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Rita
Great idea !!!! agreeeed
because they are let loose anyway, the average sex offender/pedophile do little time and get probation and if you go to the sex offender site, many of them donot report their where abouts and the authorities have NO idea where they are. and therefore our communities are at risk

Marking them is a great idea but the idea i posted earlie that was deleted r was a better idea,

But i can bet you it is against their rights, all the wrong people have rights !

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Tired of the B.S.

5:33 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Care Bear,
This is a great idea. Perhaps we could use this form of ID for everyone.
Are you ready for your scarlet R?

Rita

5:06 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

It's two fold.....Unfortunately it is against their rights. Fortunately for all of us, we do have all the same rights.

Too bad this couldn't be one of those....sometimes rules are made to be broken, at least to protect our children.

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The Care Bear Here

7:12 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

in writing we all have the same right dear

However in reality we don't, Just sayin..........

Eric Blair

5:11 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

If you Boy Scout bashing hypocrites were really so concerned about our kids/youth you'd pay more attention to what "our" government has been up to. Our kids are growing up with useless wars, massive debt, the end of our civil liberties, dead end jobs, a totally inadequate (but expensive) education, an out of control number of third world immigrants they will have to compete with, mandatory poison pharmaceutical drugs, cancer causing GMO's, on and on ...... I'll spell it out for you ignorant hypocrites, "they got no future 'cause all you do is sit on your a-- with no thought other than sports and sex". Historically the ones pointing the finger are most often guilty of the very thing they are accusing someone else of doing.

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Emily

5:27 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Eric - take this to a different thread, Mmkay?

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Eric Blair

7:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Typical Dumb A-- American. That would be u Emily.

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Emily

8:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I am all for going after the government for GMO's & everything else, but that's not what this thread is.

Jeff

6:46 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I have to retype. Emily - pick a town and stay in that 'patch' - nobody needs your opinions on events in our town. You dont live here for a reason which is why we enjoy it where we live. I have never seen someone troll all the suburbs of Chicago and post their opinions on every topic.

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Emily

8:28 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Jeff - they are all linked through Orland Park and that is the only Patch I am on. So, sorry I have no control where the thread originates because the top of my page says Orland Park.

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Emily

8:29 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mr Care Bear - I think you need to look up the definition of irrational. Cause I don't think it means what you think it means.

Rita

7:10 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Actually, this post is posted on all the Patches and all linked to this thread. Many of them are when it concerns more than just one town.

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Dennis Robaugh

9:01 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

If the conversation here cannot stay on point regarding the Boy Scouts and the confidential files — and persists in drifting into insults about race, intelligence, grammar and the ability to spell — we'll suspend the comment thread.

The post is published on Patches throughout the Chicago area because the case files extend throughout the area. The issue in its broadest sense is not limited to a single community or troop. As files are released, individual Patches will pursue localized reports.

I've stricken several comments from this thread for violating the terms of service, including those of The Care Bear.

Folks, you can disagree without being disagreeable.

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Will County Resident

10:28 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Go ahead, suspend the comment thread. Then we can all get back to putting 200+ comments on the "create a caption" articles or comment on the presidential political cartoons. You know, something that "matters."

Pro Life Crusader +

9:13 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Ignore Emily ! She hates religion too and she attacks anyone she disagrees with!

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Emily

9:15 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

That isn't true at all. I respect every religion. I just don't want someone telling me I have to live by their choices. And this has nothing to do with this thread.

Pro Life Crusader +

9:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Put a damn GPS in the scum bag child molesters and castrate them after they are convicted!

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Pro Life Crusader +

9:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Even better yet lock up all child molesters for life in a cell 24/7 and give them electro shock treatment everyday until they drool on themselves!

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Tired of the B.S.

10:37 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

What is wrong with you?
Not everything is about religion. This story concerns the BSA and has nothing to do with religion. I'm not sure if you even understand what religion truly is. You curse, you name call and you advocate violence. These are not part of any religion I know.
Now, as for the BSA and their cover-up of what happened, there is no excuse for this. How can anybody keep stuff like that a secret? I think that if you knew that a child was being abused and did noting to stop it, you are just as guilty as the abuser.

cari

9:58 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

We should all be supporting the former children/children these unimaginable acts happened to. Stick to the issue this article was written about....not arguing. To take advantage of a child and to instill that kind of fear into them is an unforgivable crime. I hope all the names of these monsters are put on the front cover of every major news paper out there....then lock them up and throw away the key.

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Dennis Robaugh

11:51 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Comments on this post are now set to moderate overnight. We'll review them and publish in the morning.

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Jim McMahon

10:53 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I graduated from St Louis DeMontefort in 1982, Father Mayday and Mr Hacker were working there at that time. I never joined the Cub scouts or became an later boy like my siblings did.

I knew Mark and Stephanie Hacker (Hackers children), very nice kids and got a long well with everyone. Ft Mayday was strange, according to students who worked with him he would offer .25 cents if you gave him a neck massage...freakin gross!

I'm not sure if pedophilia has anything to do with being gay, since most pedophiles are straight married men. Either way this cover up by the church and cub scouts is disgusting to say the least, As a Father of an 8 year old boy I would only be satisfied with the death penalty for each of these sick and twisted calculated perverted rejects. I hope there is a hell so they can dwell in it for all eternity.

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Kelly

6:28 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

I agree - the death penalty seems fair for taking the innocence of these children. The shame should not be carried by the victims by by the adults who did this, who ignorned the signs and pleas, those who covered it up and all of us who do not decry the current lack of strictly enforced penalities for these crimes.

momofmany

10:48 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

The whole thing just makes me sad because it is the few, the exception that are the reason the majority of us adult leaders are being judged today. We put our heart into scouting & it is hard to take when someone blindly steps all over it based on the actions of a few. I have come into scouting recently & have strived to be the best example I can be for my children, other peoples children & the adults I train. The adults I volunteer with & myself all have the youth's best interest at heart & strive every day to help them become the best they can be & to keep them safe at all times. What has happened in the past is inexcusable but it does not mean ALL scout leaders behave that way.

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Vincent Russell

12:20 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Can we get the secret files for all the public school teachers that did the same heinous crimes from the 1960's -- 1990's or are they exempt. Can we get the secret files on the Jewish synagogues, YMCA's, Boys Clubs, Lutheran Church, etc, or are they exempt too.

Molesters come in all shapes and sizes. The Boy Scouts are not alone in not disclosing information on these criminals, it was just the way things were handled back then -- internally.

Today, we have tremendous awareness of the problem and control of the situations so the molesters have gone underground, like in the their basement looking at children on the internet.

Sad but true, this is a problem across all people. But realize, folks, this is .005% of the population.

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Lee Shell

1:18 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Just ironic that this homophobic organization took such care to hide their straight perverts.

Angela Nelson

10:28 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Glad the scout and alot if parents do things differently now. We are now taught to stand up for our selves and not to believe any authority, when it comes to our bodies. Informing our children/ listening to all accusations / taking action. Is the only power against these sickos!

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scouter

10:47 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

I am a member of this organization and the changes in it, since I joined, have been astonishing. There is Youth Protection Training, 2 Deep Leadership required and, instead of reporting to the Council first, you call the police first. You can request a copy of a report by Dr Janet I Warren's report and you can also ask about the Scoutings 5 Point Plan to Combat ALL child abuse. To be a leader, you have to go through a rigorous background check and you have to be trained in Youth Protection. We also STRONGLY encourage parents to step up and to lead and to get trained. Vigilance is what protects our youth - not turning your head or ignoring the problem. And, I have to tell you, even if you tell the police and call, they don't always file charges or do anything - so this 'secret' list is sometimes the only way that the Organization can keep those we don't want near our scouts away. Unfortunately, we can't just look at someone and see a molester - and, unfortunately, everyone ASSUMES that molesters are gay (and traditionally they are white married men!), and they are not. Molesting someone is not about being gay - it's about power and control and getting your rocks off on someone else's fear. We have to empower our youth to stand up against anyone who pushes them to do things they don't want to do - and to REPORT IT. Scout leaders are now REQUIRED to report any allegations or suspicions or anything that doesn't feel right. It's up to the police department from there.

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Edward Andrysiak

11:43 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Scouter...you are the first to mention "empowering our youth to stand up" etc. I read lot about training the leaders in these posts but I am begining to think we need a required presentation for incoming scouts on bullying and on the dangers of becoming a victum to a child molester. As a kid I was taught to be aware of kidnappers (although I'm sure anyone who grabbed me would have given me back in two days)...point being, we need to sit our kids down and be frank and honest with them and tell them *exactly* what to watch for and why and to report it immediately. Make the reporting process very easy and even by written note, unsigned, if they feel uncomfortable steping up. It's the kids who are running around here in lala land because no one has told them of the exact dangers envolved in this very unplesant circumstance. We need to be more frank in the telling so the kids can begin to protect themselves to some greater degree than at present. Tell them what the "signs" are so they can protect themselves. Parents should be given a printed guide on what and how to cover this subject if they object to the organization doing it...maybe do both. Or, require the fact sheet initialled by the kid and parents as "being covered".

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Tired of the B.S.

4:54 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

scouter,
Apparently, not everyone ASSUMES that molesters are gay, you think that they are "traditionally white married men". As a white, married man, I find that to be as insulting as any other stereo-type. Interesting data from the Department of Justice:
*blacks are 4.3 times more likely to molest children in the US than whites.(ojp.usdoj.gov ).

scouter

12:19 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Edward - the fact sheet that you mention is actually a whole pamphlet in the front of EACH of the Cub Scout level books and parents are required to cover that material with their scouts. It has been in for the last 15+ years that I can remember, and, unfortunately I don't believe that all parents are as vigilant as they need to be. IF a parent ignores a child, and a child then comes to a leader, we, as leaders, are required to report any abuse that a child tells us about. I have reported a suspected case of physical abuse, because the scout talked to me, and the child was removed from that parent's custody. The other parent was then given custody, and the child has turned out to be a warm, loving and wonderful young man. We still keep in contact and I am thankful that he trusted me with his story.

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Mary

4:43 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

To SoeakingUp,
I'm actually very angry at your patents ignorance. If any of my 3 kids came to me about something that just didn't seem proper I would never ever turn my head on them without investing at least privately first. Past times or present times. I'm sorry you had to go through any of that. Mary

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Paulette Delcourt

11:05 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

The scouts have extensive training on this and show the boys a video. Unfortunately, any place where children gather can place them in harms way, even a playground. So sad. Any change in behavior should make a parent suspicious.

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Dave Smith

1:04 am on Friday, October 26, 2012

I saw one Oprah show that I will never forget, and it spelled out EXACTLY how these people work:

They will spot a child who may be a bit under confident or damaged. Then they befriend the parent, faking things in common. Then they may wait up to ONE YEAR before they strike. By then the child and family might love the guy as a family friend, or Uncle type. That is what is called, “grooming” the child. THEN they wait until there is enough trust to take the kid for a camping trip, or with HIS family on vacation. By that time, they know exactly what to do, what they can get away with, and they KNOW that kid won’t tell. By that time, THE KID, AND EVEN THE PARENTS ARE HELPLESS TO STOP IT. After writing that, I have to go take a shower.

Parents should ask themselves one question: Is there a friend of ours who pals around with our kid, when we are not around? If so, no matter how close you are to that friend, no matter how much you trust him, sit down with your kid and have a LONG TALK.

My heart goes out to anybody who went through that horrible pain. Things were much different back then. Men were free to rape their wives, if they did not consent to sex. There was NO SUCH THING as date-rape. If a kid was abused, many authorities looked the other way, or gave the perp 1 month in a psyche ward. If pulled over for driving drunk, the Cop might let it go, and escort you home. Family secrets were always swept under the rug, never to be revealed to the light of day.

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